Wednesday, August 20, 2025

ACTIVE PARTICIPATION?

ACTIVE PARTICIPATION?


LG’s thoughts on the practical meaning of V2's SC use of the phrase "Active Participation" after reading: Historical Falsehoods about Active Participation: A Response to Dr Brant Pitre (Part 1) by Gregory DiPippo

This article was recommended to me: https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2024/12/historical-falsehoods-about-active.html


The debate over the meaning of "participatio actuosa" has been something I spent a lot of time studying in my "Trad" days almost 2 decades ago. They were mostly from Trad sources, however. I'll let the smarties debate over it in their publications, and the chips will fall as they may once I've considered all of the evidence that I come across. I won't pretend, as I suppose I used to, that I know all of the definitive objective truths on liturgy, historically, anthropologically, and theologically. There are already too many experts in this area on my FB friends list that I don't need to bother catching up. I do have some observations, however. Folks can take them or leave them. As usual, I have no ideology or faction to pander to. All of the various flavors in Western Catholicism are just as beautiful and annoying in one way or another to me. :-)


1. If by active, we mean doing something behaviorally, in the liturgy, which seemed to pave the way for "lay ministers" in the liturgy, as readers, cantors, EMHCs, then the vast majority of Catholics are not "active" at all. Less than 1% of the folks on a packed Sunday Mass are “doing something” in the ceremonials of the liturgy.

2. If by active, we are to include the vocal participation of the faithful in all the call and response dialogue that used to be between priest and altar server in the 1962 Missal, then what was actually gained in the reformed liturgy, as the so-called Dialogue Mass was already practiced, and only needed to be promoted more widely? Did we need an overhauled, alleged reform of the Roman Rite? Why was the so-called “interim Missal” in the US for English not enough to satisfy the prescriptions of Sacrosanctum Concilium?

3. A common critique of the pre-V2 liturgy in the US, as experienced and recounted by many who happily abandoned the old form, was that most of the faithful were praying the Rosary, or other personal devotions, BECAUSE they didn't understand the Latin, which seems like a fair critique. However, these were certainly not forbidden or foreign to the practical tradition in the church. This method of "hearing Mass" was listed in the writings of St. Leonard, in a TAN book titled Hidden Treasure. Another method is to meditate on the suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, recommended by St. Francis de Sales. I made a booklet for this method here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dSWGwwGm7TEnyZ4NJFx-K9Rlphs88mcj/view?usp=sharing

4. I am not a mind-reader, of course, but I think we can rely on some intuition when observing overall body language and behaviors, and it appears apparent enough to me that the minds of the faithful are less distracted by the ecological dynamics of the pre-V2 liturgy than they are in the new.

5. I am not convinced that the mere vocalization of memorized responses necessarily means there is active, meaningful cogitation happening in the mind of the faithful to qualify as “active participation”.

6. To be fair, memorizations and recitations of Latin are probably no different, especially at the speeds I’ve heard priests and servers blitz through Low Mass. However, I would say that when there is a congruence between words being consciously thought and vocally said, there is no need or even much opportunity to actively reflect on the meaning of what is actually being said.

7. For me, it is interesting that by reciting the rote Latin prayers, which is an almost unconscious automatic process, after being memorized, it allows for an internal monologue or iconic representation to take place separately and independently. In other words, I can say the prayer, as I do even when I mostly attend the Novus Ordo, “Suscipiat Dominus sacrificium et manibus tuis ad laudem et gloriam…” and simultaneously be imagining the Old Testament sacrifices being offered to the Father, insufficient in themselves to redeem, fulfilled in the new Covenant sacrifice of the Cross, etc. Or any number of other Biblical or theological mental representations that could be actively generated ex nihilo on the spot. I won’t say that this phenomenon or practice is impossible when reciting in one’s primary language, but I claim that it is more difficult to do so, at least in my own experience.

8. I've been to new rite liturgies that are what I consider more "reverent " or more "solemn". I know some folks will get hung up and triggered by the use of those terms. I just mean elements of silence, rubrical fidelity, ceremonial consistency, sacred music, as opposed to folk hymns, or God help us, theologically heretical popular "praise and worship" music. Maybe these are my subjective criteria. Fine. The do the red and say the black philosophy of New Mass is done in some places, but honestly, not in most of where I attend the Novus Ordo. There’s always something a bit off. The most common is, of course, Sacred Music.

9. I suspect the preferential liturgical divide between those who prefer more “down to earth” community-centered-oriented liturgy versus more strictly rubrical liturgy is a difference in personality styles. If I had to guess, I would think there are more Thinkers and Judgers at the TLM, and more Feelers and Perceivers in the NO, if one were to use the Myers-Briggs.


I probably have more observations I will add to this in the future. But after an 8 hour work day and a 2-hour college lecture, and 8 hours of social media doom-scrolling, I am done for the day.


Here are the quotes from DiPippo that stood out for me.

-LG


"I see no reason to think that Dr Pitre is among them; indeed, I think it very likely that he himself is among those whom others have deceived. "


"The Latin words of the Constitution are “actuosa participatio … summopere attendenda est”, which would be properly rendered “active participation … is to be given the greatest attention.” And it is in fact so rendered in the Italian, French, Spanish and German translations also available via the Vatican’s website. (I cannot vouch for the Arabic, Chinese, Swahili or various Slavic versions.) "


"This would have also been the perfect place to add that there is a solid case to be made that “actual participation” is a better translation of the words “actuosa participatio” than “active participation.” This case was laid out very thoroughly by Fr Peter Stravinskas in a paper which he delivered to the CIEL conference in Paris in 2003, and graciously allowed NLM to reprint in 2016."


"In regard to the Council’s statement that the people’s participation in the liturgy should be “full”, Dr Pitre very rightly points out (6:45) that this means fully participating in the parts which properly belong to them, “and only those parts which belong to them, and the people shouldn’t be doing what is exclusive to the priest, and vice versa.” For of course, it was the furthest thing from the Council Fathers’ minds to foster the participation of the laity by blurring this necessary distinction. This would have been a good place, therefore, to point out that “active” participation in the modern liturgy has been brought about in no small part by redefining “what is exclusive to the priest”, and giving to the laity liturgical roles that the tradition of the Church has always given to the clergy: the reading of the Scriptures, and the distribution of Communion.  "


"in practical terms, Tra le sollicitudini has been completely overthrown by the post-Conciliar reform, since the confusion between activity and achievement, a confusion which the word “active” positively invites, often leads to the replacement of good music with bad music or no music, because it is easier for the congregation to sing bad music than good, and easier still to recite than to sing. "


"(This might have been the place to mention that the books of Ezra and Nehemiah refer much more often to the organization of trained cantors among the ministerial orders of the Temple, since the use of professional choirs will later be noted as one of the developments within the Church which putatively detracted from the participation of the laity.) "


"The Catholic faithful occupied the church, and the custom was therefore established that the people should hymns and psalms “after the manner of the eastern regions, lest the people pine away in the tediousness of sorrow…” "


Saturday, August 27, 2022

Bill Murray on the Latin Mass

"I tend to disagree with what they call the new mass. I think we lost something by losing the Latin. Now if you go to a Catholic mass even just in Harlem it can be in Spanish, it can be in Ethiopian, it can be in any number of languages. The shape of it, the pictures, are the same but the words aren’t the same...there’s a vibration to those words. If you’ve been in the business long enough you know what they mean anyway...And I really miss the music – the power of it, y’know? Yikes! Sacred music has an affect on your brain... [Instead, now you hear] folk songs … top 40 stuff … oh, brother…"
-Bill Murray, Actor

Tuesday, July 19, 2022

Escaping the Closed Circle: Why in the TLM the Epistle Is Read Eastwards and the Gospel Northwards - Dr. Peter Kwasniewski



This is a fantastic lecture on the reasons for the directions of proclamations of the Epistle and Gospel of the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). I took the liberty to create bookmarks on the topics for your convenience and sharing purposes, but the whole lecture was very well written and delivered beautifully. I appreciate the work that DPK is doing for tradition and I am sad that it currently only stands at 1500 views. These lectures should have as many views as Mass of the Ages, IMO. It's easy to get excited about documentaries because their nature is to summarize. Catholics need to delve deeper.

Enjoy.
-Laurence Gonzaga 
  • 0:00 Introduction 
  • 1:00 Newcomers are full of questions 
  • 2:00 Customs and practices are “fitting” 
  • 2:30 Mass of the Catechumens 
  • 3:00 Mass of the Faithful 
  • 3:25 Liturgy of the Word and Liturgy of the Eucharist 
  • 4:30 Direction of the Proclamations of the Readings 
  • 7:45 A note on geography/ad orientem 
  • 9:00 Practical origins and symbolic significance of ceremonies 
  • 9:45 Two functions of the proclamations of the readings 
  • 16:00 The Credo 
  • 17:30 The whole liturgy is for God 
  • 18:20 Verbal comprehension is secondary to recognition of the Divine nature of the texts 
  • 19:20 More than proclamation but Presence 
  • 20:30 Quasi transubstantiation 
  • 29:30 Christ speaking to the world, the North, the unconverted heathen world 
  • 35:00 Cosmological reasons for facing North for the Gospel proclamation 
  • 47:30 The versus populum, a self-enclosed circle, self-referential 
  • 49:40 The Good News is directed beyond us 
  • 50:30 The TLM has spiritual food for all types of people 
  • 51:30 The West, the Devil, and his rebellion 
  • 55:00 Incense from the South, seats of the ministers 
  • 56:00 Pastoral deviations, well-intentioned practices in Europe, such as proclamations in the vernacular facing the people

Monday, July 18, 2022

Participation in the sacred liturgy

Writing about our participation in the Sacred Liturgy, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger wrote: 

This oratio—the Eucharistic prayer, the “Canon”—is really more than speech; it is actio in the highest sense of the word. For what happens in it is that the human actio (as performed hitherto by the priests in the various religions of the world) steps back and makes way for the actio divina, the action of God. In this oratio the priest speaks with the I of the Lord—“This is my Body,” “This is my Blood.” He knows that he is not now speaking from his own resources but in virtue of the Sacrament that he has received, he has become the voice of Someone Else, who is now speaking and acting. This action of God, which takes place through human speech, is the real “action” for which all of creation is in expectation. The elements of the earth are transubstantiated, pulled, so to speak, from their creaturely anchorage, grasped at the deepest ground of their being, and changed into the Body and Blood of the Lord. The New Heaven and the New Earth are anticipated. The real “action” in the liturgy in which we are all supposed to participate is the action of God himself. This is what is new and distinctive about the Christian liturgy: God himself acts and does what is essential. He inaugurates the new creation, makes himself accessible to us, so that, through the things of the earth, through our gifts, we can communicate with him in a personal way. But how can we participate, have a part in this action? Are not God and man completely incommensurable? Can man, the finite and sinful one, cooperate with God, the Infinite and Holy One? Yes, he can, precisely because God himself has become man, become body, and here, again and again, he comes through his body to us who live in the body. The whole event of the Incarnation, Cross, Resurrection, and Second Coming is present as the way by which God draws man into cooperation with himself. As we have seen, this is expressed in the liturgy in the fact that the petition for acceptance is part of the oratio. True, the Sacrifice of the Logos is accepted already and forever. But we must still pray for it to become our sacrifice, that we ourselves, as we said, may be transformed into the Logos (logisiert), conformed to the Logos, and so be made the true Body of Christ. This is the issue, and that is what we have to pray for. The petition itself is a way into the Incarnation and the Resurrection, the path that we take in the wayfaring state of our existence… In the words of St. Paul, it is a question of being “united to the Lord” and thus becoming “one spirit with him” (1 Cor 6:17). The point is that, ultimately, the difference between the actio Christi and our own action is done away with. There is only one action, which is at the same time his and ours—ours because we have become “one body and one spirit” with him. The uniqueness of the Eucharistic liturgy lies precisely in the fact that God himself is acting and that we are drawn into that action of God. Everything else is, therefore, secondary.27

Theologie der Liturgie, pp. 148–49. ET: Theology of the Liturgy, pp. 107–8.

Wednesday, July 21, 2021

The Rivalry Between SSPX & FSSP w/ Timothy Gordon

Did Vatican II do away with Latin in the Mass?

Patrick Coffin: The Truth About the SSPX

Jesse Romero: My Conversion to the Latin Mass (TLM)

The Truth About the Traditional Mass w/ Scott Hahn

Latin Mass Updates, by Diocese

  • Bishop Malesic of Cleveland has released a statement stating that he is granting temporary permission for the Traditional Latin Mass to continue to be celebrated in private and in churches that have already been doing so prior to 7/16/2021.
  • Savannah Diocese: New Bishop in office 10 months, very supportive of the mass. He will allow masses til the end of the month, then meet with advisers and decide what he will do. The motu has really upset him.
  • Atlanta Archdiocese: FSSP pastor spoke with the archbishop, the Archbishop said the motu will NOT affect the FSSP personal parish and that it is business as usual. 
  • Asst pastor Father James Smith being transferred to be chaplain of apostolate in Harrisburg PA. We will get Father Andrew Rapoport as his replacement. He is coming from Post Falls Idaho
  • Good news! The Bishop of Fort Worth has come out in support of the local FSSP parish (Bishop Michael Olson on Twitter: "St. Benedict Catholic Church in Fort Worth is effective for the spiritual growth of its faithful who live in @FWdiocese. The priests of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter have cared pastorally for parishioners and fostered unity with the Local & Universal Church. @startelegram" / Twitter).
  • Going forward, the Archdiocese of Boston will consult with the United States Conference of Bishops Committee on Divine Worship and our Archdiocesan Office for Divine Worship as we review the motu propio. With note that the Holy Father provided the local ordinary exclusive competence for use of the Extraordinary Form in his diocese, Cardinal O'Malley wishes to assure all the faithful of his concern for their spiritual and pastoral needs. In light of the pending consultations he is making no changes to the current practice. 
  • Little Rock Diocese retaining  the 2 FSSP Personal Parishes ( Cabot AR and Springdale AR). BUT the El Dorado, Cherokee Village, and Mountain Home people will no longer have a TLM. Those locations were served by diocesan priests. 
  • I just got an email from St. Timothy's in San Antonio, TX, the sole surviving Archdiocesan TLM.  The secretary said that nothing's changed yet but if anyone is planning on coming this Sunday, they should call the office Friday afternoon just to make sure it's still on.

FSSP: Official communiqué following the publication of the Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes

 Fribourg, July 20, 2021

The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, whose goal is the sanctification of priests through the faithful observance of the liturgical traditions prior to the reform implemented after the Second Vatican Council (cf. Constitutions n. 8), has received Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes with surprise.

Founded and canonically approved according to the Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei Adflicta of Pope St. John Paul II of July 2, 1988, the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has always professed its adherence to the entire Magisterium of the Church and its fidelity to the Roman Pontiff and the successors of the Apostles, exercising its ministry under the responsibility of the diocesan bishops. Referring in its Constitutions to the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, the Fraternity has always sought to be in accord with what Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI called in 2005: “the hermeneutic of reform in the continuity of the Church” (Address to the Roman Curia, December 22, 2005).

Today, therefore, the Fraternity of St. Peter is deeply saddened by the reasons given for limiting the use of the Missal of Pope St. John XXIII, which is at the center of its charism. The Fraternity in no way recognizes itself in the criticisms made. It is surprising that no mention is made of the many fruits visible in the apostolates attached to the missal of St. John XXIII and the joy of the faithful in being able to benefit from this liturgical form. Many people have discovered or returned to the Faith thanks to this liturgy. How can we fail to notice, moreover, that the communities of the faithful attached to it are often young and flourishing, and that many Christian households, priests or religious vocations have come from it?

In the current context, we wish to reaffirm our unwavering fidelity to the successor of Peter on the one hand, and on the other, our desire to remain faithful to our Constitutions and charism, continuing to serve the faithful as we have done since our foundation. We hope to be able to count on the understanding of the bishops, whose authority we have always respected, and with whom we have always collaborated loyally.

Confident in the intercession of Our Lady and our Patron, Saint Peter, we hope to live this trial in faith and fidelity.

[source: fssp.org]

https://www.fssp.org/en/official-communique-following-the-publication-of-the-motu-proprio-traditionis-custodes/ 

Tuesday, July 20, 2021

The Truth About the Latin Mass Motu Proprio, Patrick Coffin with Dr. Mike Sirilla

First Solemn High Mass of New Priest for the Institute of Christ the King, Canon David Le (7/22, 7 PM, Wilmington)



Changes to the TLM from Traditionis Custodes

  1. No more TLMs at parish churches, which must mean there will no longer be a proximal coexistence with the NO Mass at a regular parish church.
  2. No more new “personal parishes” which are basically what a regular parish looks like and how it operates, but exclusively offers the TLM Sacraments, to the exclusion of the NO Sacramental forms.
  3. Days and times set by the bishop.
  4. Readings in the vernacular.
  5. Readings using the New American Bible in the US, unless other translations are approved for use.
  6. Appoint a bishop’s delegate for the pastoral care of the TLM groups.
  7. Regulate and assess the parish life of the personal parishes.
  8. No “new groups”.
  9. Priests ordained after 7/16/21 need to request permission from the bishop, who then needs to consult with Rome.
  10. Current priests who offer the TLM need to request authorization to continue offering the TLM.
  11. The FSSP, ICK, and the like are now under the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies for Apostolic Life (ICLSAL).
  12. The Congregation for Divine Worship (CDW) and the ICLSAL are in charge of regulating these regs.
  13. Ecclesia Dei Adflicta, Summorum Pontificum, etc. are done. They no longer have any force of law.
  14. All the above, in force, right now.